February 2025

David Janda is an American orthopaedic surgeon and shoulder specialist who specialises in how to prevent sports injuries. Due to the huge cost savings his medical expertise and knowledge in this field brought to the federal government he was courted by presidential administrations of both parties and helped in developing health policies. Over the years, walking the corridors of power, he gained an intimate knowledge of how government really works.

In the wake of the cold-blooded Covid scam that erupted just a year later, this excerpt from a 2018 discussion Dr Janda had with podcaster Sarah Westall resonates even more strongly today. Like Tom Renz's foregoing information, it provides readers with a deeper, more realistic perspective: laying bare the ruthless control behind the political theatre played out for public consumption. It also underlines the true magnitude of Donald Trump's victories — and how blessed he is to still be alive! Our trancscript, title, bracketed clarifications. Original emphases.

Up Close and Personal

Face to Face with the Deep State -

There’s one political party in Washington. What I call the Republocrats. They’re owned and operated by a criminal syndicate. And the “R” and “D” is just show. They’re all the same. Because if they can control the healthcare industry, they have access and control over every person, every business, and every family in the country.

– David Janda

[After relating a brutal tax audit he was put through by pitiless agents of the Internal Revenue Service, conducted because he stood on the wrong political toes, Dr Janda comments on how government bureaucracies get stacked with such ghastly souls, before going on to relate his telling encounter.]

DAVID JANDA: They’ve looked at the people ahead of them, that are higher up in the food chain, and how they got there. And that’s how they got higher up in the food chain – in that non freedom-based food chain. And the people who recruit the people to be underneath them, they recruit people who are of similar mentality.

It goes to something that I’ve never spoken about on my show. When I first went to Washington, back in [19]88, our research as I mentioned got a lot of play. Then in 1989 I was asked to testify in front of Congress, on the power of prevention. It was quite an experience. I write about it in my book, The Awakening of a Surgeon. But right after the testimony – and I would never do this now, based on who I [annoyed] and who I met over time – this guy comes up to me, after I’ve testified, and he said:

“Dr Janda, Lee Atwater, the chairman of the Republican Party, would like to have a meeting with you.”

“Oh. Okay.”

“Follow me and we’ll get in my car, and we’ll drive over.”

Now, Sarah, Sarah, this is something, Dave Janda ... I mean, I was naïve back then. And it was a different time. [Today] I would never follow somebody, let alone get in somebody’s car.

So, we get in his car.

We get out of the car, big white building, go in, it’s Republican national headquarters, go up upstairs, and here’s Lee Atwater. He’s sitting at his desk. Feet are up on the desk, he has boots on, he’s playing the guitar, TV’s over his head.

“Janda, sit down.”

I sit down.

“So,” he points to the TV, “I was watching you on C-SPAN with your testimony.

I go, “Oh.”

He said, “I thought you did a great job.”

I go, “Oh well, thank you.”

He goes, “No, no, no. The chairman of that committee is a real SOB. I’ve never seen him back down. And you made him back down.”

He says, “Understand something. Based on what I saw today you have a really good skill of communications. And you’re going to be approached to run for the House of Representatives, or the Senate, governor. Hell,” he goes, “for all I know somewhere down the line for President.”

He says, “Frankly, you’ll win. You’ll win. Because you connect with people. You connect with people. And it’s obvious that you’re not bought and paid for. And it’s obvious that you’re honest. And it’s obvious that you’re looking out for the welfare of people, and not the corporations.”

He says, “People can smell that. And you got it.” And he goes, “I’m gonna give you some advice.”

He said, “When they approach you, never do it.”

And this is a conversation… there are certain conversations you have in life, that stay with you. This is one I think about, almost every day. He looked at me, and he said, I’ll always remember these words: “You are an albino, in a sea of black. This city, is evil.” And he said, “Understand something. If you run for office, you will win. And they, will, kill you.” And he said, “I don’t mean that figuratively. I mean that literally.”

He said, “When you were on your way over here today, I did a little research. You’re married, you have a nice wife. You have a daughter, red hair, her name is Alison.”

I thought this was kind of creepy.

And he looked at me, and he said: “If you expect your wife not to be a widow. And you expect your daughter to know who her daddy is, you’ll never run for office.”

So I looked at him, and I said, “Are you threatening me? Or are you giving me friendly advice?”

And here’s what he said.

“No, I really like you. I really respect you.” He goes, “But understand something. Guys like you, don’t go far. You’re not allowed to go far. They get rid of you, one way or the other.” He says, “I’m telling you this as a friend. You’re really good at the doctor thing, you’re really good at the prevention thing, you’re really good at the healthcare policy thing.” He says, “Do all of that. But never, ever, run for office.” And he goes, “I’m telling you that as a friend.”

SARAH WESTALL: Is he though, was he? Let me ask you: he says that “they” get rid of you. He was the head of the Republican party. So when he says “they” get rid of you, wouldn’t he be a “they”?

DJ: I think he was a low-level part of the “they.” What I’ve come to realise is there are much greater powers that have much greater influence that call the shots. And even at his level, and as chairman of the Republican party, he was saying, ‘Look, I’m at this level, but there are a lot of levels [greater] than me that call the shots.’

And it’s interesting. We had that meeting, and we stayed in touch. We stayed in touch, phone calls. He was really a good guy.

SW: So he maybe really was looking out for you because it really is that bad.

DJ: Sarah, I initially thought he was a threat. That’s why I asked him. I was right up front. “Is this a threat? Or is this just friendly advice.”

SW: A threat and friendly advice would be the same thing in that environment.

DJ: But as time went on we stayed in touch. Now, a year after we had this meeting – and we stayed in touch on the phone – he was giving a speech, I believe it was in Washington, and he had a seizure, collapsed, and he was diagnosed with brain cancer. And, about a couple of weeks after that happened – I waited a little bit before I contacted him – and I called and I got him, and I said “I’m so sorry to hear about what’s happening, and anything I can do to help you please let me know.”

And he was very nice, and very kind, and he said:

“You know, Dave, I should’ve listened to my own advice when we spoke.”

And that was the last conversation we had. His prognosis was terrible. He was given six months to live from when he had this event, I believe it was in March. He lasted about a year. But he had significant problems. And during that year, he phoned, and sent a number of letters to people that had been his opposition in campaigns, apologising to them, over the tactics that he took, to defeat them.

SW: So, from that, he was taken out, by the powers that be… I mean, you could read through that, maybe, you don’t want to go that far but that’s kind of what you read into it. And he wanted to make amends for his behaviour.

DJ: I mean, he developed brain cancer. At the time, it’s come out now, through some declassified documents that government agencies have worked on programmes to induce cancer. I can tell you this. Cellphones were in their infancy when all this happened. And I can tell you that he constantly had a cellphone on his ear. Now, could there have been something in that cellphone that caused the situation that led to tumours? I don’t know. Maybe it was just bad luck. But I think he was like close to 39 or 40 when he developed brain cancer, which can happen. But I can just tell you what he said to me, when he said, “I should’ve listened to my own advice when we spoke.”

SW: That’s incredible. That’s why people say you have to be almost a psychopath to make it in that environment, because your ability to compartmentalise things, and not have emotions behind what you’re doing, is so important. Because as soon as you tie emotions to your behaviour, you realise that you’re a bad guy.

DJ: My experience, Sarah, and it’s terrible to generalise, but my experience over time, whether it’s an “R” [Republican] before their name, or a “D” [Democrat] after their name or “I” [Independent], it doesn’t matter, there are very few people I’ve come in contact with, that are elected officials, on both sides of the aisle, that, um, are sincere. They might give the impression that they have emotions, and they care. But many times, after you get to know them, or interact with them, you realise it’s a façade.

SW: Does it get creepy?

DJ: Yeah. It’s very creepy. It’s very creepy. And this is one of the things I think Atwater was saying to me. Because one of the words he said was care. “You care about people.” And heaven forbid if there’s someone who cares more about other people than they do themselves. You see, that’s what’s missing in [Washington] DC. And frankly, what Atwater was defining to me was the Deep State. Something that has come to be known as the Deep State. There is this sinister, large group of people, that for decades, many decades, have run the system. And the people that have attained power, are people that are of like mind, but they’re also chosen because of how they’re compromised in some way.

A very well-known political figure took me aside. This is back in 1998. There were some meetings at the White House. And it was on domestic policy issues. They were all kind of laughing at me earlier in the day because we’d had some meetings earlier and I went back to my hotel room and I watched the news that night. Dan Rather, CBS, NBC [Tom] Brokaw, ABC … I can’t remember who, it was before [Peter] Jennings, and they were talking about something we were talking about in the White House earlier in the day, and it was 180 degrees different. If we talked about black, they were reporting it as white. Okay. On all three stations.

So I come back to the White House the next day and I go, ‘Hey, before we start our meetings, there’s a big problem here.’

‘What’s the problem?’

‘Well I was watching the news last night, and they were talking about something we were talking about here, but they had it completely [back to front]. It was a 180 degrees different to what we talked about. So we’ve gotta talk to somebody in communications because they’re not getting the information out correctly.’

And they all started laughing. And they looked at me and they go like, ‘Newbie! Newbie! The networks did exactly what they were told to do. They didn’t get it wrong. They were told this by us. Because we don’t want them on the right trail. Okay.’

So, that’s earlier in the day. So now, I’m talking to this very well-known political figure, and this political figure – now we’re in the White House – says to me, ‘Let’s talk on our way to lunch. The walls have ears.’

Alright. So what’s that telling me? They have surveillance systems already in the White House back in 1998. So we go, we’re walking down Pennsylvania Avenue to lunch, and this well-known political figure looks at me and he says, “Dave, you’re a good guy. You’re an honest guy.” He goes, “I want to give you some advice.” He said, “Never go to a private party in Washington, okay.”

I go, “Well I’m not a party kinda guy anyway. I’m boring.”

He says, “No. It doesn’t matter. You might think you’re getting invited to watch a football game at Congressman so-and-so’s house with a bunch of other people watching it. Don’t go.” He says, “Unless it’s a private party at the White House. Don’t go. Okay. Do whatever [else] you want, go to dinner with whoever you want, go to sporting events, but do not… ”

SW: Why would he say that. What happens at those private parties? [I think we know! – Ed. CO]